{"id":103299,"date":"2023-06-27T11:32:36","date_gmt":"2023-06-27T16:32:36","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/news.medill.northwestern.edu\/chicago\/?p=103299"},"modified":"2023-06-27T11:32:36","modified_gmt":"2023-06-27T16:32:36","slug":"qa-with-rochelle-crump-empowering-black-women-veterans-since-the-1970s","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/news.medill.northwestern.edu\/chicago\/qa-with-rochelle-crump-empowering-black-women-veterans-since-the-1970s\/","title":{"rendered":"Q&A with Rochelle Crump: Empowering Black women veterans since the 1970s"},"content":{"rendered":"

By Prerana Sannappanavar
\n<\/strong>Medill Reports<\/em><\/p>\n

In the 1970s, Rochelle Crump, now 68, joined the U.S. Army, where she started her fight against systemic gender and racial discrimination. As a woman of color, she persevered as she struggled to get recognition for Black and women veterans. Today she is the founder and president of National Women Veterans United.<\/p>\n

She has donned many caps throughout her career. Two decades ago, she became the first Black woman to assume the position of assistant director of the Illinois Department of Veterans\u2019 Affairs and simultaneously served as the chief of African American Services in the Illinois Department of Children and Family Services. Crump served as the community liaison for the Chicago Commission on Human Relations from 1998 to 2003, and the list goes on. She has shattered the glass ceiling many times over with each of her accomplishments. Raised by a single mother, and being a single mom herself, Crump is the picture of strength and grit.<\/p>\n

This interview has been edited and condensed for brevity and clarity.<\/em><\/p>\n

Could you speak a bit about your journey?<\/strong><\/p>\n

It is representative of a very strong women leadership contingent. I had a chance to have a voice. It was sad at some points. It was anger in some. It was very cohesive (as) I had a lot of people support me from every segment of society; they were white, Black, Polish, Hispanic and Latino. (It was) closeness with a lot of people toward the end because, I guess, going through discrimination (together), people started understanding people.<\/p>\n

What was your experience as a woman and as a woman of color during your time in the military? Was the discrimination more about your gender identity or your racial identity?<\/strong><\/p>\n

It\u2019s a little bit of both, but a lot of times, it\u2019s been about being a Black woman. It\u2019s entitlement. (People saying,) \u201cYou must have got it because you Black.\u201d And it\u2019s never about your skills or your leadership, how hard you work or the successes you\u2019ve had behind you. I even had women discourage me and say, \u201cYou\u2019re not gonna get that job, you know, they giving those jobs to men.\u201d I wasn\u2019t looking for them to be right. I was confident that my work spoke for itself as opposed to me thinking about the Blackness or the female part of it.<\/p>\n

I was very vocal all along. I\u2019m never going to sit in a meeting with people who are disrespectful. I call them sickly, because this (is) sickly, you know, to not like people because they\u2019re of different color, different language, different background. That\u2019s a sickness, and we should be past all that stuff in life.<\/p>\n

Is gender and racial discrimination only at the systemic level, or is it at the social level as well?<\/strong><\/p>\n

(Many) Black women were coming to me, crying and telling me about how they had been mistreated, how they hadn\u2019t received any promotions and things like that. And I said to them, \u201cWell, what did you do about it?\u201d Because if you\u2019re not willing to fight for something that you\u2019re entitled to, if you show people that you are powerless then that\u2019s how they gonna treat you. You got to stand up and speak up. That\u2019s what you have to do, especially when it is the right thing to do.<\/p>\n

On a social level, I\u2019ve been called the \u201cN\u201d-word a couple times. It made me angry. I retaliated by being aggressive and throwing hot coffee on the man that called me (that). When a girl called me \u201cn—-\u201d, we wound up having a fight. So a lot happened along the years, but I don\u2019t take them as a method to hate others. I pray that people would have a mindset to know that we all, outside of these skins, have the same bones, the same blood.<\/p>\n

How did the atmosphere change over time, especially as the Black movement got stronger?<\/strong><\/p>\n

Things haven\u2019t changed much over the years. Discrimination is very much alive.<\/p>\n

If there was one thing you would change about the U.S. military from a gender and race perspective, what would that be?<\/strong><\/p>\n

More women in leadership roles, (and) more mentoring from those who have served and learned from the military. We\u2019re still faced with the exclusion of women and women of color. The rapes and sexual assaults of women in the military (as well). So, I think they have to do more along the lines of securing women, making sure that women are safe, and they can continue to have a career in the military at their liking.<\/p>\n

Prerana Sannappanavar is a graduate student in the social justice specialization. Connect with Prerana on LinkedIn<\/a>.<\/em><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

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