{"id":93946,"date":"2020-12-07T09:39:55","date_gmt":"2020-12-07T15:39:55","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/news.medill.northwestern.edu\/chicago\/?p=93946"},"modified":"2020-12-07T09:39:55","modified_gmt":"2020-12-07T15:39:55","slug":"dj-and-squamish-nation-councilor-orene-askew-on-the-importance-of-afro-indigenous-and-two-spirit-representation","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/news.medill.northwestern.edu\/chicago\/dj-and-squamish-nation-councilor-orene-askew-on-the-importance-of-afro-indigenous-and-two-spirit-representation\/","title":{"rendered":"DJ and Squamish Nation councilor Orene Askew on the importance of Afro-Indigenous and two-spirit representation"},"content":{"rendered":"

Sian Shin<\/strong>
\nMedill Reports<\/em><\/p>\n

On Nov. 3, 2012, Orene Askew woke up in a house fire. Without even putting on her socks, she grabbed her DJ equipment and ran for her life. She then decided to become more fearless \u2014 with her DJing business, speaking at youth conferences across Canada, and traveling to different reserves to share her life experience and professional advice.<\/p>\n

In 2017, she was elected as a councilor on Squamish Nation Council, which serves as a city council for the Squamish Nation. Askew, 37, says she values working for her community and still lives on the X\u0331wemelch’stn, the Capilano Reserve, where she grew up.<\/p>\n

Being Afro-Indigenous and two-spirited, Askew incorporates her identities into her political work as well as DJing, her slogan being \u201cDiversity makes beautiful music.\u201d In the movement of amplifying two-spirited voices, Askew stands as a community leader as the role of two-spirit people within Indigenous communities is being reclaimed.<\/p>\n

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\"Photo
(Photos by K. Ho)<\/em><\/figcaption><\/figure>\n

How has your experience been as a DJ and motivational speaker traveling around Canada?<\/strong><\/p>\n

After I started my DJing business, I ended up getting gigs at youth conferences across the country and traveling to different reserves. It was such a cool experience. And the reaction people had, it was just unreal. So many people could relate to me or were just like, \u201cWe\u2019re so grateful that you\u2019re still here.\u201d The feeling of literally having to run for your life just changed me. I always say that \u2014 it\u2019s kind of a bad pun \u2014 but that the Creator lit a fire under my butt like, \u201cIf this is what you really want to do, then you gotta bring it.\u201d I love working with Indigenous youth, specifically. That\u2019s where my business coaching comes in and that comes with teaching DJing as well.<\/p>\n

What does intersectionality mean to you and why is it important?<\/strong><\/p>\n

It\u2019s so funny because I didn\u2019t really know what that meant a couple years ago. People would compliment me saying, \u201cOh, you\u2019re so intersectional; it\u2019s so cool,\u201d and I would think, \u201cWhat does that mean?\u201d And then I did my research and I was like, \u201cOh yeah, that is me!\u201d All these different spirits going on and for me, it\u2019s been a different experience because I\u2019ve grown up on the reserve my whole life, but I don\u2019t look Indigenous at all. People are shocked when they find out. I look like I\u2019m just Black. But the intersections are interesting, because I feel like four things going on 24\/7 inside of me. It\u2019s an interesting feeling. It is tough, but I wouldn\u2019t change it because it\u2019s unique. I think I\u2019m the most intersectional DJ there is out there, to my knowledge. (laughs)<\/em><\/p>\n

How do you define two-spirit for those who don\u2019t know?<\/strong><\/p>\n

It might mean something for other people, but this is my definition. Inside of me, there\u2019s a little masculine Orene and there\u2019s a little feminine Orene. And they\u2019re mixed in there together. One sometimes outweighs the other and they fight sometimes. That\u2019s the definition that makes so much sense to me.<\/p>\n

Why is two-spirit representation necessary and important?<\/strong><\/p>\n

I really learned that from being in politics for almost three years, if you don\u2019t have someone representing a group at the table, things aren\u2019t going to get done for that group. So, I feel like 2020 is really interesting right now, because I\u2019ve done interviews over the past and it\u2019s like \u201cMeet Afro-Indigenous Two-Spirited DJ, Orene Askew\u201d and everyone\u2019s like \u201cOh, that\u2019s cool.\u201d But then what? What\u2019s the content of that? What do I have to bring to the table being all of those things? And right now, I feel like there\u2019s this huge Afro-Indigenous movement happening. I\u2019m connecting with people on social media and I just feel like being Afro-Indigenous has been overlooked for a very long time and right now is the time for us to speak up.<\/p>\n

How were two-spirit people treated within the Indigenous community before colonization?<\/strong><\/p>\n

We actually didn\u2019t have a word for it because we just treated everyone the same. And before the gender conforms came, there were like five different genders. We were held up and praised because we could see double, basically, and that\u2019s such a powerful gift. With colonization, they basically told us the opposite of that and kind of beat that into us.<\/p>\n

That doesn\u2019t just go away. And that\u2019s the thing, people think, \u201cJust get over it.\u201d You can\u2019t do something for 400 years and just be like, \u201cYou\u2019re fine now, go do your thing.\u201d It doesn\u2019t work that way.<\/p>\n

And how do the impacts of colonization and heteropatriarchy continue to disempower two-spirit people today?<\/strong><\/p>\n

Just the fact that within the LGBTQ+ community, it\u2019s like the power dynamics are still the same as they were. I think it\u2019s getting better, but when people say to you, \u201cOh my goodness, you came out of the closet. Wow, what do your parents think about that?\u201d They don\u2019t say that to straight people, like they don\u2019t say, \u201cOh, you came out straight. How difficult was that?\u201d I can\u2019t wait for the day when coming out isn\u2019t even a thing. I\u2019m just thinking of the 50 years and still fighting, which was the 2019 Pride slogan, because it\u2019s true. We\u2019re still fighting every day. I\u2019ll admit though: Things are getting better, but we have a lot of work to do for sure.<\/p>\n

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\"Orene
(Belle Ancell Photography)<\/em><\/figcaption><\/figure>\n

How has your experience been as an advocate for diversity, inclusion and justice?<\/strong><\/p>\n

This year specifically, I\u2019ve seen the big changes since George Floyd was basically murdered in front of our eyes. And that\u2019s not a new thing. And then the rise of [Black Lives Matter]. BLM has been around for a while, I was going to the rallies in Vancouver in 2016. It\u2019s so hard to explain to people how I felt when everything was going on. People were like, \u201cI can\u2019t imagine what it\u2019s like to be you right now,\u201d and I was just like, \u201cWell, why? This has been happening for a long time.\u201d And then, with Indigenous rights with pipelines and land claims, it\u2019s pretty tough being Afro-Indigenous just with everything going on right now.<\/p>\n

And then the media was really wanting to talk to me about certain situations that I just didn\u2019t feel comfortable with. Sometimes the media just wants that one Black or Indigenous person to give people advice on what to do, which is labor. I use this slogan all the time by Janelle Mon\u00e1e, \u201cYou mess up the kitchen, then you should do the dishes.\u201d So, they have to do the work, it\u2019s not going to be me. It gets really exhausting. I think this year has been different with people facing the truth, and it\u2019s hard for them to face with white privilege etc. It\u2019s really changed for the better. I just think things are coming more to the forefront.<\/p>\n

What change would you like to see for Vancouver\u2019s queer community to become more inclusive of two-spirit folx and become better allies?<\/strong><\/p>\n

I\u2019ve gotten really close with the Vancouver Pride Society and I\u2019m actually nominated to be a board member for them, so I\u2019m thinking that representation on the board will be really helpful. Honestly, my main thing will be bringing opportunities to my people and other BIPOC [Black, Indigenous, and people of color] performers and DJs that maybe the Pride Society doesn\u2019t get to see. It\u2019s about getting more BIPOC people involved. And that\u2019s what the bigger queer community needs to do as well.<\/p>\n

It\u2019s so interesting with pride because of the way it started with Marsha P. Johnson and the Stonewall riots. She was a trans Black woman and that basically started pride, but as time goes on, people don\u2019t even know about that. It\u2019s almost like history was erased and pride was basically taken over by cis white gays, and that just doesn’t make sense to me. I think it\u2019s about bringing that history back to the forefront and you gotta pay respect to the people who started something, who started your movement.<\/p>\n

What is a message that you\u2019d like to emphasize for your audience and specifically for two-spirit youth?<\/strong><\/p>\n

Representation. I wish when I was younger, I had more representation in front of me because it changes lives. I don\u2019t think people realize that because they\u2019re already represented out there or they just don\u2019t get it. It\u2019s just a really good feeling.<\/p>\n

Like when I get asked sometimes, \u201cWhat would your ideal Vancouver building look like for you to feel comfortable in?\u201d and I talk about it like it\u2019s a dreamworld, but it can happen. Walking in and seeing portraits of my Indigenous ancestors who used to live in Stanley Park. They were successful. They weren\u2019t savages, they weren\u2019t unintelligent, and the architecture was unreal what they used to do with the longhouses. And Black people who were history makers, just pictures of them everywhere, that would make me feel really comfortable walking into a city hall or something like that. Something that acknowledges that there is Black history.<\/p>\n

Representation is really important, and especially to two-spirited youth. When I was growing up, I felt like there was nobody portrayed in the media or the arts that looked like me or was like me. I\u2019m 37 and I\u2019m just figuring it out now. I wish I could\u2019ve figured it out earlier because there was nothing out there that was two-spirited for me to see. So that\u2019s why I try to be out and proud as much as I can, so they can see it and be like, \u201cOh, OK, that\u2019s who I am and it\u2019s OK to be like that.\u201d<\/p>\n

This interview has been edited for brevity and clarity.<\/em><\/p>\n

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Sian Shin is a social justice reporter at Medill, covering the LGBTQ2S+ community in Vancouver. You can follow her on Twitter at <\/i>@sianshin.<\/i><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

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